Como todos sabem, a melhor fase dos Ramones é a do final dos anos 80 e começo dos 90. Tão superior ao resto que os clássicos absolutos da carreira deles são dessa época, como “I Believe In Miracles”, “Pet Sematary”, “Strength To Endure” e, acima de todos, “Poison Heart”.
Uma aula pop, essa faixa faz parte do grande álbum “Mondo Bizarro”, de 1992, que certamente influenciou muita gente. Porém, no caso dessa música em particular eles é que foram influenciados por outra banda. Novata, por sinal.
Quando o guitarrista Johnny Ramone ouviu por acaso a música “Hey Jealousy”, da banda Gin Blossoms, sentiu que ali estava um hit poderoso. A faixa ainda não havia sido lançada comercialmente, mas já circulava em fitas demo pelo meio musical. Johnny teve a oportunidade de trocar algumas idéias como o autor da canção, o guitarrista Doug Hopkins, quando elogiou a composição e combinou de tocarem juntos algum dia.
Em setembro de 92, foi lançado o disco “Mondo Bizarro”, contendo o hit “Poison Heart”, que rapidamente chegou às paradas. Também pudera, com uma ótima melodia e refrão fatal, era impossível não fazer sucesso:
Quase um ano depois, em agosto de 1993, saiu o primeiro trabalho do Gin Blossoms, com o belo título “New Miserable Experience” e puxado pela grande “Hey Jealousy”, com seu começo marcante:
Gin Blossoms – Hey, Jealousy (1993)
Ouvindo-a em comparação com “Poison Heart”, pode-se notar algumas semelhanças, principalmente nas guitarras, e os mais exaltados podem até acusar Doug Hopkins & Cia. de plágio. Mas o inverso é que é verdadeiro, é só lembrar do encontro citado no começo desse texto. Claro que é muito mais difícil uma banda de tradição como o Ramones ser taxada de copiadora de hits, mas é fato.
E como todos também sabem, a história não mente.
Comments (143)
Bah, sabia que tinha fundamento. Fiquei impressionado quando ouvi o Gin Blossoms e identifiquei imediatamente o riff como quase idêntico ao de Poison Heart.
Ramones = Milli Vanilli
Posted by Bruno Galera | dezembro 11, 2006 2:19 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 14:19
Dizer que a melhor fase do Ramones é essa aí que tu citou SÓ PODE SER SACANAGEM tua.
Sério, tu abusa do direito de estar errado.
Posted by Liv | dezembro 11, 2006 2:38 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 14:38
EGS, vou esperar tu me confirmar que é lorota antes de comentar qualquer coisa, para evitar outro episódio ingênuo-melancólico de minha parte - vide o caso do curso de enólogo. eu acreditei.
Posted by Gustavo, Cavinato | dezembro 11, 2006 2:40 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 14:40
Liv, punks e indies preferem a fase anterior.
Como não sou uma coisa nem outra, estou no meu direito de afirmar que essa é a melhor fase.
Posted by EGS | dezembro 11, 2006 2:43 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 14:43
Cavinato:
"E como todos também sabem, a história não mente."
Posted by EGS | dezembro 11, 2006 2:44 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 14:44
Egs, vai se encolher num cantinho, vai.
Posted by Liv | dezembro 11, 2006 2:46 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 14:46
"Ouvindo Poison Heart", faltou dizer.
Felicidade total.
Posted by EGS | dezembro 11, 2006 2:49 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 14:49
"COMO TODOS SABEM, a melhor fase dos Ramones é a..."
Bacana o post. Mas vou ter que concordar com o/a Liv (?)
Eu sigo justamente a ordem inversa: quanto mais próximo aos 70, melhor...
Enfim, gosto é gosto.
abs
Posted by fino | dezembro 11, 2006 3:44 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 15:44
pois é, esse "COMO TODO MUNDO SABE" foi muito deslavado.
Parece um indie falando.
E é A Liv, fino, prazer.
Posted by Liv | dezembro 11, 2006 3:49 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 15:49
meu disco favorito dos Ramones: Pleasant Dreams.
discordo quanto à melhor fase dos Ramones, embora o Brain Drain seja muito bom e o Mondo Bizarro seja um dos melhores discos dos anos 90. CENSORSHIT e IT'S GONNA BE ALRIGHT me dão arrepios na espinha.
Posted by Gustavo, Cavinato | dezembro 11, 2006 3:49 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 15:49
cheguei primeiro, cavinato!
Posted by Liv | dezembro 11, 2006 3:50 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 15:50
Ramones é uma banda fundamental, mas é tão patética nos bastidores que sua única suposta virtude, a coerência, é tragada sem dó pela existência das fases "I want the airwaves".
Melhor banda de música ruim. Determinou todo o resto e não deixou dúvidas: por mais roots que seja uma banda, sempre estará disposta a se vender.
Posted by Hermano | dezembro 11, 2006 3:53 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 15:53
it´s getting better
duvido tu ter coragem de contar a verdadeira história de ISRAEL SON do silverchair. risco de processo.
Posted by Antenor | dezembro 11, 2006 4:18 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 16:18
os clássicos absolutos dos Ramones estão no disco The Ramones.
o resto dos clássicos está no resto da discografia da banda.
Posted by neni | dezembro 11, 2006 5:17 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 17:17
tu vê, né?
Posted by Carol Andreis | dezembro 11, 2006 7:34 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 19:34
Neni sacou e deu a morta.
Posted by Menezes | dezembro 11, 2006 10:48 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 22:48
Em duas palavras: Loco Live.
Posted by Lia | dezembro 11, 2006 11:03 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 23:03
E, Liv, não discute: o garoto ouve Gin Blossoms. Deixa quieto.
;)
Posted by Lia | dezembro 11, 2006 11:05 PM
Posted on dezembro 11, 2006 23:05
"rocket to russia".
adeus.
Posted by dante | dezembro 12, 2006 8:09 AM
Posted on dezembro 12, 2006 08:09
ramones é a melhor banda cover de anos 60 que eu conheço.
Posted by muzell | dezembro 12, 2006 8:13 AM
Posted on dezembro 12, 2006 08:13
E, mais uma vez, Rodrigo "MAESTRIA" Müzell fala as maiores verdades do universo.
Dá orgulho ser amigo dum cara assim.
Posted by EGS | dezembro 12, 2006 8:15 AM
Posted on dezembro 12, 2006 08:15
"Ramones é uma banda fundamental, mas é tão patética nos bastidores que sua única suposta virtude, a coerência (...)"
ÚNICA SUPOSTA VIRTUDE.
MORRI.
Posted by Gustavo, Cavinato | dezembro 12, 2006 10:17 AM
Posted on dezembro 12, 2006 10:17
The Clash = Nickelback
Posted by Bruno Galera | dezembro 12, 2006 3:46 PM
Posted on dezembro 12, 2006 15:46
pior música dos Ramones. a melhor sendo Something to believe in. mas isso só nesse momento ;-).
Posted by Roger | dezembro 12, 2006 4:36 PM
Posted on dezembro 12, 2006 16:36
tava lendo os comentários anteriores. TODO mundo sabe que Ramones não tem melhor fase. é mais um lance "miami ou deixe-me" com essa banda.
Posted by Roger | dezembro 12, 2006 4:40 PM
Posted on dezembro 12, 2006 16:40
O melhor é que, fora o Bruno, ninguém discutiu o assunto do post, que é o plágio.
Amo vocês, pessoal.
Posted by EGS | dezembro 12, 2006 7:22 PM
Posted on dezembro 12, 2006 19:22
quem mandou ficar nessa SANHA de ser polêmico?
eu era assim, a idade me tornou serena. isso não leva a nada!
Posted by Liv | dezembro 12, 2006 7:45 PM
Posted on dezembro 12, 2006 19:45
hm, eu mesmo nem dou tanta importância pro lance de plágio, principalmente em se tratando de Ramones - duvido que essa tenha sido a primeira plagiada da carreira deles, bando de junkie. pode parecer que não, mas eu gosto da banda.
mas a informação é interessante como pop trivia sim, vlwthxbye.
Posted by Roger | dezembro 12, 2006 8:16 PM
Posted on dezembro 12, 2006 20:16
Depois dessa última resposta da Liv, eu tô na pilha de discutir a idade dela.
Posted by Lia | dezembro 12, 2006 9:13 PM
Posted on dezembro 12, 2006 21:13
CARALHO, LIA! ¬¬
Posted by Liv | dezembro 13, 2006 7:38 AM
Posted on dezembro 13, 2006 07:38
Serenidade e Liv não combinam.
E esse papo de idade é o lance mais furado que eu li nos últimos tempos.
Posted by EGS | dezembro 13, 2006 8:41 AM
Posted on dezembro 13, 2006 08:41
a capacidade das pessoas de lerem algo totalmente diferente do que tu escreveu gera diversas monografias de jornalismo
Posted by muzell | dezembro 14, 2006 4:26 PM
Posted on dezembro 14, 2006 16:26
E a tua genialidade nesses comentários também gera uma.
Reverências mil, aqui.
Posted by EGS | dezembro 14, 2006 7:28 PM
Posted on dezembro 14, 2006 19:28
Nirvana = My Chemical Romance
Posted by Bruno Galera | dezembro 14, 2006 7:40 PM
Posted on dezembro 14, 2006 19:40
engasguei com o comentário da monografia de jornalismo
Posted by nat. | dezembro 14, 2006 11:19 PM
Posted on dezembro 14, 2006 23:19
"eu era assim, a idade me tornou serena."
HAHA
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Posted on dezembro 14, 2006 23:19
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